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mistaspot1 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
Well, fuck capitalism. I'm not talking about capitalism. I'm talking about socialism. I think people who work the most unskilled jobs should get paid more, because they do the things that nobody wants to do. If they didn't do them, who would? We depend on these people.
pissed1off1guy (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
hahahathere is no such thing as "good" people and "bad" people
copenhagen1221 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
well it's not up to us how much someone gets paid, its up to whoever is employing them. obviously people with the bad jobs, or unskilled jobs, (janitor, etc.) shouldn't be getting paid more because people aren't willing to do so.
TheUnitedFreak (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
^_^
mistaspot1 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
OK? It's irrelevant to the conversation. I'm saying we should pay people more for jobs that suck only if they are jobs that need to get done and are jobs that no one else wants to do. Making yourself suffer needlessly does not give you the right to more shit than someone who does not subject themselves to that.
uhmaezing (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
i'm not saying that ppl with shitty jobs don't work hard at their job, i'm just saying, people who do have higher paying jobs (which doesn't mean they're more pleasant) chances are they did a lot of work to get there (education, earning money for education etc)
mistaspot1 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
Well that work and effort would qualify as a shitty job, wouldn't it?
uhmaezing (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
only if you don't take into consideration the work, money and effort the people who have pleasant jobs, spent to get in their positions, where as someone who works in an unpleasant job probably did not.
VoltairineCleyre (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
Who said anything about socialism? There are plenty of propertarians who do not believe that we hold the same relationship with ourselves that we hold to a shirt or a VCR. Furthermore, most forms of socialism are quite dependent on property relations.Your thinking seems to be stymied by a multitude of false either/or propositions. Either neo-classical liberalism, or socialism. Either self-ownership, or ownership by someone else. Either I agree with you, or I am a victim of "group think".
mistaspot1 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)
Just because you're willing to use force against someone, that doesn't make your opinions right. In fact, it might mean the exact opposite. I think people should get paid more who work the shittier jobs. The shittier and more necessary to society the job is the more a person gets paid. Everyone else, I'm assuming would have a relatively pleasant job, so they don't get paid as much. That creates an incentive to do these jobs that no one wants to do. Sounds fair, right? |
